lou: within that context, john brennan to be the head of the cia. we listened to the outgoing defense secretary, panetta, say thathe president of the united states and the secretary of state were not involved in the entire period in washington, d.c. in the -- in the benghazi attack, acknowledging for the first time. we have some -- first, your reaction to that revelation by secretary panetta. >> well, first of all, what seems to be the problem is the decision by the administration not to idenify the threat before they strike. that's huge. meaning in libya, according to the cables we read, we did not see that this is a threat, and if we don't see that this is a threat, we don't actually -- we are not prepared. lou: i have to say that we don't see that as a threat when we watched the british embassy be bombed, the british ambassador attacked, watched the international red cross withdrawal from benghazi, what -- how large a tyke would be writ in order for us to get the message? this is 5 -- a frightening, frightening episode. >> we're not looking at th